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The Business Side of Music

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Music Industry experts share their experience, insights and career advice 

The Business Side of Music Podcast is a weekly podcast. The main objective is to educate and train musicians to succeed in the music business. The host Bob Bender is an established music industry veteran with years of major label and indie artist experience. Bob guests include music industry experts who share their experiences in the music industry.

This Podcast is one of the world’s most listened music business podcast. It is listened to in over sixty countries around the world, and our shows have been download Over 150,000 times.
You will find that this is an informative and helpful medium for singers and musicians who want to become successful in the music industry.

This Podcast provides essential information about the music business, including recording, copyrights, songwriting, and so much. And the most important you will learn how not to taken by the industry Sharks.

About Bob Bender

Bob is an established music industry veteran with years of major label and indie artist experience. His credits include but are not limited to:

  • Produced over 300 concerts, festivals, and tours in Europe, Japan, Mexico, and North America.
  • Tour Manager for Ringo Starr and his All-Starr Band, Billy Preston, Dwight Twilley, Lisa Lisa & the Cult Jam, Rick Derringer, Edgar Winter, A Flock of Seagulls, Mark Lindsay (of Paul Revere & The Raiders fame), New Kids On The Block, Gene Pitney and more.
  • Manager of Artist Development for Curb Records
  • Worked with Tim McGraw, LeAnn Rimes, Jo Dee Messina, and Hank Williams Jr.
  • Managed Country legend Michael Martin Murphey's record label for 3 years.
  • Co-producer (with his wife, Debbie) of a television show called “Songs in the Spotlight”.

Tom Sabella founded The Business Side of Music podcast in 2009 with co-host, Traci Snowe. Through mid-2016 they recorded over 100 episodes and made it one of the most popular music industry podcasts in the world.  



Oct 7, 2019

The music duo Mutual Groove is comprised of drummer, guitarist and audio engineer David Martin along with bassist, rapper, songwriter Pat Graves (who also happens to be a professional acrobat).

In 2007, David formed a three-piece rock band with two fellow students (including Pat Graves) that would later become Wings of
Apollo. Wings of Apollo developed a strong local following in the Washington D.C and Northern Virginia area by playing a few shows a year, when all members were back from their respective colleges. Although music seemed a promising career path, David decided to earn a Bachelor of Business Administration Degree from James Madison University to help navigate the band's journey in the music industry.

In 2015, David capitalized on his education and launched his own music business, DMart Music. Specializing in recording, graphic design, and beat making, David has ventured into the world of entrepreneurship.

Pat Graves love for music developed at the young age of 3 when he started sharing a room with his older brother, Ryan. It was through Ryan that he discovered artists like Nirvana, The Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica, and Eminem. Pat's passion for music didn't turn him into a musician until he was 16 when he first picked up a bass. His intentions on making a music career became serious in 2007 when he became a founding member of the three-piece rock band, Wings of Apollo. Pat graduated from Virginia Tech in 2010 with a Bachelors Degree in Creative Writing and moved to Nashville, Tennessee shortly thereafter.

The two have formed "Mutual Groove" creating bass and drum influenced beats and rhythm tracks.

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Host: Bob Bender

Produced by Bob Bender 

Advisor: Tom Sabella


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Special Thanks to Tom Sabella and Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original “Business Side of Music” podcast, and trusting us to carry on their legacy.

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